不理解为啥用钱换性交是犯罪？

林家琪

我就觉得是很公平的事情。

帅哥大鸡巴缺钱，愿意提供性交服务换钱花，
金主钱多，也愿意把钱给帅哥大鸡巴换性交服务。
双方互利互惠的事情，我看不出来哪里就伤天害理了，还要被定为犯罪。

blue10

当有一天，你或者你的亲属被人QJ完，被QJF甩了200块钱。无法被定性为QJ的时候。你就懂了~

QaQqu

首先要说 ，违法和犯罪是不同的概念。在中国当下，个体性交易并不是犯罪（虽然可能有行政处罚），但组织卖淫则会构成犯罪——哪怕组织的是同性之间的卖淫，好像是2014年南京有过这样的案子。
总体来说，当代各国对性交易的管理，其实是区分不同类型的主体的：买方、卖方、组织方（管人管钱）和招揽方（俗称的“拉皮条”）。各国在这一块的规定都不太一样，比如英国买卖是合法的，但组织和公开招揽违法（且可能构成犯罪）。而瑞典有一套很有趣的规定，卖的一方合法，买的一方则违法，组织和招揽则有可能涉及犯罪。
当然，另一个极端是类似荷兰、澳大利亚这种，全方位合法，澳大利亚甚至有妓院上市公司，也是一大奇景了。
ps. 上面说的合法也都是建立在成年、自愿、私密性行为的基础上的，即便是荷兰澳洲这种合法的，你要是强迫他人卖淫，或者强奸后拿出点钱来伪装成“卖淫”，一样是犯罪。

而从理论上来说，反对性交易合法化的观点大体可以分成两类，一类是伦理上的，即人自身和人的尊严不能被作为交易物，性交易合法化是对这一价值的违反，并且会毁坏社会风气。另一类是实践层面的，因为在现实的历史中，卖淫历来和人口贩卖、卖淫产业的扩大、性传播疾病流行、乃至黄赌毒合流等负面因素高度相关，这个行业的负外部性太大了，因此从社会整体福利的角度，不能全面放开性交易合法化。

当然，这个问题之所以一直有讨论的空间，是因为这些理由其实也都有各自的问题。首先这个现实实践的理由呢，是一笔说不清楚的烂账。针对性交易与性自由这么复杂的话题，大家连应该采用那些指标去衡量好坏都没达成一致意见。有人认为最主要应该看性犯罪率的变化，性犯罪少了，就说明政策好；有人则认为，除了性犯罪数量，公共卫生与传染病情况也是重要指标；更激进的，还认为需要考虑社会文化与风气，包括参与性产业的人员数量变化等。而且，社会科学永远有一个无法重复实验的特点，哪怕一个国家遇到问题（比如荷兰21世纪遇到性传播疾病数量与外国向荷兰走私人口数量增加的问题），辩护者永远可以说，这只是这个国家没有执行好，并不说明方案本身有问题。但这种说法在现实层面，是很没有说服力的。
而针对伦理的理由，其实在现代社会非常尴尬——我剥削占有你的劳动成果，这被认为是正当的（至少在西方理论中），那我剥削占有你的身体，就算有问题、又能大到哪去呢？是，你确实可以从理论上找各种角度论证占有劳动和占有身体其实是天差地别的，但任何这种论证一旦接触到现实生活，比如让一个普通人选一天打三份工、劳动条件极其恶劣、最后还不一定能养得活自己，和出卖身体赚取更多的收入相对比，任何理论论述都是苍白无力的。说白了，现实不是让人在“尊严”和“低贱”中做选择，而是在不同的低贱之间“选择”；而如果强调人应当普遍地、无条件地享有社会活动和经济活动中的基本尊严，那这个就接近在主张共产主义了，这是真的不太适合公开讨论了。

a155

这个你想找谁说理

xuxuer1

你说的这种情况不是犯罪，只是治安处罚，罚款或者行政处罚。什么援交、自己卖身都不是犯罪。
犯罪是引诱、容留、介绍卖淫。这类犯罪也不打击卖身的人，只打击介绍人引诱人容留人。有问题咨询律师。

林家琪

xuxuer1 发表于 2024-6-1 11:56
你说的这种情况不是犯罪，只是治安处罚，罚款或者行政处罚。什么援交、自己卖身都不是犯罪。
犯罪是引诱、 ...

我就是理论上不理解。
不但是中国，世界主要文明国家这个都算犯罪，只不过程度不同，
中国叫行政处罚，美国叫啥class A misdemeanor.

林家琪

blue10 发表于 2024-6-1 11:54
当有一天，你或者你的亲属被人QJ完，被QJF甩了200块钱。无法被定性为QJ的时候。你就懂了~ ...

你的意思是说：钱换性之所以是犯罪，是因为防止和强奸混淆？
这个不成立。
逻辑漏洞太多。
比如，强奸明显是重罪，要坐牢，而钱换性是轻罪，可能就罚款。
如果甩了二百就无法区分，那么每个强奸犯都会甩二百。

17yr

因为不交税

林家琪

我刚做了些研究，美国法律是这样解释的，不过我觉得这个理由不充分，漏洞很多。

The criminalization of buying sex in New York State and many other jurisdictions is based on a combination of social, moral, and public policy considerations. Here are some key reasons why it is determined to be a criminal activity:

### 1. **Public Morality and Social Norms:**
   - **Moral Standards:** Many societies and communities hold that commercial sex is morally unacceptable and detrimental to the moral fabric of society.
   - **Family and Social Stability:** The criminalization of buying sex is often seen as a way to uphold the institution of marriage and family, and to prevent behaviors that can disrupt social stability.

### 2. **Protection of Vulnerable Individuals:**
   - **Exploitation and Abuse:** The commercial sex industry is often associated with exploitation, coercion, and human trafficking. Criminalizing the purchase of sex is intended to reduce the demand that fuels these activities.
   - **Minors and Trafficking Victims:** Protecting minors and trafficking victims from being exploited in the sex trade is a significant concern. Laws are stricter when minors or trafficked individuals are involved.

### 3. **Public Health:**
   - **Spread of Diseases:** Commercial sex is associated with the spread of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and other health issues. Criminalizing it is seen as a measure to control public health risks.
   - **Drug Use and Crime:** The sex trade is often linked with drug use and other criminal activities, leading to broader public health and safety concerns.

### 4. **Economic and Social Inequality:**
   - **Economic Coercion:** Many individuals who sell sex do so out of economic necessity, which raises concerns about economic coercion and inequality. Criminalizing the purchase of sex aims to address these power imbalances.
   - **Social Stigma and Marginalization:** The sex trade can perpetuate social stigma and marginalization of those involved, particularly women and minorities. Criminalization is seen as a way to combat these negative social dynamics.

### 5. **Legal and Policy Frameworks:**
   - **Deterrence:** The threat of criminal penalties serves as a deterrent to potential buyers of sex, thereby aiming to reduce the overall demand for commercial sex.
   - **Law Enforcement:** Criminalization provides law enforcement with tools to combat related crimes, such as human trafficking, drug offenses, and organized crime.

### 6. **Human Rights Perspectives:**
   - **Dignity and Autonomy:** Many argue that the commercial sex trade undermines human dignity and autonomy, particularly for those forced or coerced into it. Criminalizing the purchase of sex is seen as a way to uphold these fundamental human rights.

The combination of these factors creates a policy environment where the purchase of sex is criminalized in an effort to address and mitigate the associated social, economic, and health issues. Different jurisdictions balance these factors in various ways, leading to differing laws and enforcement practices.

林家琪

也有合法化的arguments:

Yes, there are significant efforts and movements to decriminalize the sex trade in various parts of the world. These efforts are often driven by a combination of human rights advocacy, public health considerations, and social justice initiatives. Here are the main points and arguments behind the push for decriminalization:

### 1. **Human Rights and Autonomy:**
   - **Respect for Autonomy:** Advocates argue that adults should have the right to make decisions about their own bodies, including the choice to engage in sex work.
   - **Protection from Violence and Abuse:** Decriminalization can help protect sex workers from violence and abuse, as they would be more likely to report crimes without fear of legal repercussions.

### 2. **Improvement of Working Conditions:**
   - **Safety and Health:** Decriminalization can lead to better working conditions and access to health services, reducing the risk of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and other health issues.
   - **Regulation and Standards:** It allows for the regulation of the industry, setting standards for safe and fair working environments.

### 3. **Reduction of Stigma and Marginalization:**
   - **Social Inclusion:** Decriminalization can help reduce the stigma associated with sex work, allowing workers to live more openly and access social services without discrimination.
   - **Economic Empowerment:** It can provide sex workers with more economic security and legal recognition, improving their overall quality of life.

### 4. **Focus on Trafficking and Exploitation:**
   - **Distinction from Trafficking:** Decriminalization helps distinguish consensual sex work from human trafficking, allowing law enforcement to focus resources on combating exploitation and coercion.
   - **Support for Victims:** It enables better support systems for victims of trafficking and exploitation by separating their experiences from those of consensual sex workers.

### 5. **Public Health Benefits:**
   - **Access to Health Services:** Decriminalized environments often see better access to health care, including regular testing and treatment for STIs, which benefits public health overall.
   - **Harm Reduction:** It supports harm reduction strategies, providing sex workers with resources and education to minimize health risks.

### 6. **Economic Arguments:**
   - **Tax Revenue:** Decriminalizing and regulating the industry can generate tax revenue and economic benefits for the community.
   - **Cost Savings:** It reduces the costs associated with law enforcement, judicial proceedings, and incarceration related to the criminalization of sex work.

### 7. **Global Examples:**
   - **New Zealand:** Decriminalized sex work in 2003, leading to improvements in health and safety for sex workers without an increase in trafficking or exploitation.
   - **Australia (Certain States):** Some states have decriminalized or legalized sex work, with positive outcomes in terms of safety and public health.

### Challenges and Counterarguments:
- **Moral and Ethical Concerns:** Opponents argue that decriminalization might lead to increased exploitation and degradation of moral standards.
- **Trafficking Risks:** There are concerns that decriminalization could make it easier for traffickers to operate under the guise of legitimate sex work.
- **Community Impact:** Some worry about the potential impact on neighborhoods and communities, including issues of visibility and local crime rates.

Overall, the movement for decriminalization is based on a belief that it leads to safer, healthier, and more equitable conditions for sex workers, while also addressing public health and safety concerns more effectively. However, the debate continues, and policies vary widely across different regions and countries.

林家琪

经过我的初步研究，至少在中国男男交易完全可以合法化。
首先，在中国男男之间并没有婚姻和家庭，criminalization并不会有维系促进婚姻家庭的作用。
其次，能出来卖的帅哥大鸡巴也算不上是啥弱势群体，出来卖基本都是出于更能发挥个人优势的自愿选择，总比进厂打螺丝过得强。
并且，帅哥大鸡巴都属于稀有资源，让他们出来卖，有利于稀有资源得到充分利用。
经过分析，男男交易并没有啥罪恶成分。
现实中，帽子叔叔对这事儿也基本都不管的。